Becoming a Client Attraction Unicorn with Nicole Hesse

“I built my Facebook group as an experience instead of this two-dimensional-lead-catching-device. I built it like a feeling and people were blown the fu&% away by it…it was its own little animal…The power of neutrality will set you the fu$% free” – Nicole Hesse.

I'm happy to welcome Nicole Hesse to the show this week, whom I met through a mastermind we're in together. She's a powerful and funny person who's been through a lot of challenges, but thanks to her strong character and determination, she managed to rise above them, became a successful entrepreneur and a real inspiration to many in the money-making world.

Some of today's HIGHLIGHTS:

(08:45) Unicorns and Fu$# pants.
(12:03) From living the dream as an international bartender to hitting rock bottom… to making $1M in 13 months.
(15:47) Teaching Client Attraction: empathy and not poking the pain.
(19:43) “Client Attraction Secrets”: a Facebook bar like no other kind.
(27:48) The coaching industry: what needs to change and what Nicole hates about it.
(36:25) Dealing with those that “don’t get results”.
(39:58) There are no magic bullets and nothing is immediate. Go back and check out The Power of the Long Term Relationship
(47:41) Nicole’s perception on Client Attraction: “The second you’ve decided you’d made it, that’s when the sales stop”.
(55:52) A non-negotiable for fully Reclaiming Consciousness.

ABOUT NICOLE 

She's a self made millionaire who went from being a broke bartender to a seven figure CEO in just 13 months. She has empowered thousands of entrepreneurs in the online world to monetize their skill sets and results. 
She stands firmly against traditional pain point tactics and uses her signature strategy of Catalyst Marketing to attract true unicorn clients.

• Visit her Facebook Nicole Cherie Hesse
• Unicorn Client Attraction Secrets Facebook Group
• Follow her on IG @NicoleCherie27 and @moneymakingunicorns 
• TikTok @moneymakingunicorn

*WAYS TO ENTER MY WORLD** 

• Clear the old ancestral programming of what we think wealth and money are. Shift your energy and your frequency to step into a new paradigm. Check out my New Masterclass: Higher States of Wealth, launching June 26th. Take advantage of the early bird pricing ($47) until June 19th. 
• New spaces are open for my Accelerated Wealth Program pinpoint and transmute trauma so that you are free to grow your business, expand your income and create the impact on the planet that you know you are meant to. 
• Also, you can join today the Metamorphosis Method and master my proven methodology to guide your clients to rapidly and efficiently transmute lifetimes of familial and ancestral trauma and step into their highest timeline. 

 
CONTACT ALYSE

• Join my Facebook group: Breathe to Succeed
• Follow and DM me on Instagram @alyse_breathes
• Visit https://www.alysebreathes.com/
• Or contact me at info@alysebreathes.com

Transcript

Nicole: I went through a pretty nasty relationship with a narcissist, like clinically diagnosed. He wrecked my life, physical, mental, financial abuse. He stole my identity, racked up $30,000 in credit card debt. He stole my passport and my phone and l locked me in a hotel in Bangkok. He broke my nose, broke my ribs, like it was really fucking crazy.

And so when I got into sales and they were teaching me these like sales methodologies, I could hear his voice in it. They like love bomb you and then tear you down to make you buy and like that's that same shit he was doing to me. I built a Facebook group the same way that you would build a bar. I looked at the industry of coaches, these female entrepreneurs, and they were all doing exactly the same thing.

And so I was like, how can I build something that the industry actually needs and wants? And that's gonna be a pattern interrupt so that people will come to it. And when I first built the group, it was called Client Attraction Secrets, right? And so just by joining a group called Client Attraction Secrets, you're admitting that you want more clients, which is of course what I sell.

So people come into the Facebook group and you think of it as like steps of service as a bar. I built it like a feeling and people were just blown the fuck away by it. If you wanna become the person who's capable of making a hundred grand a month, here's the cold, hard fucking truth of it. You can't hang out with your shitty friends anymore.

I'm sorry. 

Alyse: Welcome to reclaiming consciousness. My name is Alyse Bacine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner and owner, and CEO of Alyse Breathes. For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma. Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.

This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of. In this show, you'll meet exceptional people who are paving the way in raising conscious. And creating a new way of living on this earth.

Get ready to go deep now. Let's dive in.

Hi everyone. Welcome back to the show. I am so excited for this week's guest. Nicole is a friend and colleague and just like a freaking amazing person. You guys are all gonna love her. I met Nicole through a mastermind that we're in together, and we were just recently at a retreat together in Palm Springs, and we just totally hit it off the minute I, um, had a conversation with her actually on her podcast, I knew that we were just gonna be really good friends because we just had this immediate connection. She's so funny and she's such a powerhouse. She was a bartender for many years and then she started her coaching business in 2020 and she made a million dollars in the first 13 months. So she has a lot to share.

You're gonna get so much out of this, and I know you're gonna love it. I know you're gonna love Nicole. Definitely check her out. Give her a follow. She is a true inspiration and somebody that you definitely wanna know about. Just some announcements we have here. So I am launching a new masterclass that's gonna be on June 26th.

It's called Higher States of Wealth, and it's all about aligning to this new frequency, this new paradigm of wealth. So what the guides have shown me over and over again is that in order to call in the wealth you desire and be able to hold the wealth you desire, it's about shifting your energy body, shifting your frequency.

And stepping into this new paradigm. So it's about clearing the old ancestral programming around what we think money is, what we think wealth is shifting completely out of that old paradigm and not operating from that place anymore so that you become an energetic match for the wealth you desire.

Because the thing is, if you want to try to bring in more, but you're still operating from the old paradigm unknowingly, it's going to be really hard because there's gonna be some incongruence there. So this masterclass is an energetic activation along with a transmission on rewiring the nervous system to step into these higher states of wealth.

So I'm super excited about it because the energy feels so powerful. So right now until Monday the 19th, it's only $47. So we're gonna put the link here so you can sign up immediately cuz you really don't wanna miss it. And then other than that, I have some spaces open in accelerated wealth. That program, my mastermind, it's a six or 12 month mastermind.

It's just popping off and I freaking love every woman in there. They are so powerful. They are new earth leaders, spiritual leaders, and they're really just making shit happen and making more money. Raising their frequency, expanding their ability to hold wealth, growing their businesses, and the results are just compounding.

Everybody is moving and grooving and the conversations we have, the energy, the vibe, it's just. So freaking powerful and people are getting results. Two of my ladies in there just had their highest months ever in their businesses, and it's just like such a great place to be. If you are a business owner who's wanting to grow your business to five figure months sustainably and doing it with a group of women who you're just gonna feel so connected to, so supported by, it's just such a sacred community.

It's the place for you. So reach out to me to, um, get more information about that or we'll link it below. Also, I have some spaces open in my certification program, the Metamorphosis method, where you learn how to facilitate trauma-informed breath work, energy work, and all of the tools that I've created to transmute familial and ancestral trauma rapidly and efficiently.

If you are a coach or a healer, you want to have these tools. In your toolkit because helping your clients be able to move through trauma is one of the most powerful things you can do because that's the reason why people don't grow, is because they come up against these old beliefs, this unconscious programming, this ancestral trauma that they don't know is there.

So it's kind of like just continuing to hit the same wall until you understand what that wall is and you know how to take it down. And that's what my trauma tools show you how to do the breath work. We'll get energy moving quickly, create momentum. So if you are wanting to add some tools to your toolkit that you can use with your clients and yourself to create a sounding result really quickly, making more money, creating better relationships, creating room for expansion in your life, and then usually a byproduct of that is your psychic abilities.

Come online. You know, I have women in my programs all the time who. Instantaneously are able to read the Akashic records. They're able to talk to dead people. Like two of my ladies in Accelerated Wealth. Recently, one of them discovered her mediumship abilities and one of them discovered she can read the Akashic records.

This stuff happens all the time in my world. It's just when you use these tools that I create to move through trauma. Then all of a sudden, your natural gifts and abilities just rise and you're able to have access to them so much more easily. So that's just something that happens in all of my spaces.

But when you come into the Metamorphosis method and you learn how to use these tools, these things will happen for your clients as well. So reach out to me for more information about joining any of those spaces. Definitely sign up for the masterclass. Higher states of Wealth you don't wanna miss. That and enjoy the episode.

Hi everyone. Welcome back to the show. So you guys are gonna love today's guest and I'm so excited for our conversation. So today I have Nicole Hess with us and I met her recently and she just has such the coolest vibe and her business and her brand are awesome. And I also love her podcast, which you guys should totally check out.

I can't remember the name of it right now. It has something to do with unicorns. I'll let her tell you. Welcome to the show, Nicole.

Nicole: I'm so glad to be here. The podcast is called Real Unicorns. Don't Wear Pants. 

Alyse: Don't Wear Pants. Duh. How did I forget that? I made you see it like, let's just start there. So like, how did you come up with this whole unicorn thing? Like where did this all come from and then not wearing pants thing. 

Nicole: We'll give you kind of the hybrid story of this unicorns. I liked unicorns before. It was cool to like unicorns when it was kind of nerdy and I kind of got made fun of for liking unicorns when I was a little kid. But actually in kindergarten I was published and I wrote this poem about a unicorn and it got published.

And so I've just been unicorn obsessed my whole life. I never played with Barbies, I only played with my little ponies. My godmother had a horse, so I was just very like horse centric. And so the last unicorn was my favorite book as a kid. It was my favorite movie. Totally fucking obsessed with all the things.

And I just, it stuck, right? Like it stuck all the way through my life. And coming up with a brand and doing all of these things. Everyone has these like pink, white, and towed banners, and they all look the same. And everybody's uber professional. And when you look at their branding photos, it's like, Everyone went to Santa and put on the blue dress, right?

And I just said, I'm not doing any of that shit. I just wanna be me. And the whole point of running a business is to do it your way, right? And so when I was coming up with the podcast brand, it was this concept in my head. My best friend died in a car accident a couple years ago, and he left behind a three month old baby.

And we were working together in bartender land. We were like inseparable. And he was actually working a shift for me. And coming home, he got in a head on collision and never made it home. And so the last event that we had worked together, we were doing this party and we were rowdy. We were rowdy, we were, we were monsters really.

And uh, we were sitting at the bar after the event and this guy, like in a suit, you know, that was at the event that just thought he was so much better than us and all that shit was coming up and he was. Kind of in our ear and bugging us, right? And I was like, get out of here. Like just get outta here.

Like fuck you in your suit and fuck your pants. Get out of here. Fuck pants. And like my best friend yelled back over his shoulder and he was like, yeah, buddy. Fuck pants. And so it just became this like inside joke between me and my two best friends where we were always talking about fuck pants. But the concept of this is like, we don't need to show up as anybody else.

We don't need to pretend. We don't need to act like we're cooler than cool in order to love our lives and be accepted and be successful. And so it was about being in that true self kind of energy. And so when I came up with the podcast, we had always made a joke that we were gonna name the bar, fuck Pam.

But we couldn't quite name the podcast Fuck Pants. You know, I got in some trouble for that. I did put it all in the branding a little bit, but I got shadow banned on Instagram a little bit for a while, so I had to change it. So real unicorns don't wear pants. And so then I just use fuck pants as the tagline.

Alyse: Oh my God, I love that so much. And it's, it's actually like such a powerful story. Yeah. It's like where did this come from? But it is such a powerful story. And also like, it's interesting too, cuz when I. Saw like all the unicorn stuff I was thinking, but more of like a unicorn is like somebody who like is different than everybody else.

So I was thinking of it that way, which I'm sure it is too, but it's like now I'm realizing it's like this whole thing in your life. And I also just wanna hear from you too, cuz your story is so awesome. Just about going from being a bartender to starting your business. Can you just talk about that a little bit?

Like your journey and anything you wanna share about that? 

Nicole: Yeah. I started in Bar World like when I, I was seriously 15. I was 15 when I got my first job in a bar. And so I grew up around bartenders my whole life. When I turned 21, I, it was like literally the day I turned 21 and I got behind the bar and I was supposed to go to law school.

I was like a good girl. I got good grades, did all the things, but then I met a boy as you fucking do, right? And that derailed all of my plans and everything that I wanted to do. And I got pregnant and I decided not to go to law school. And I totally fell in love with bartending from, very much from the people angle because, When you're a bartender, you get to witness people in the wild, right?

It's like their natural state of being. And so it's like with their mask off and with their pants off, right? You get to see who they really are and that was so like psychologically fascinating to me. And so I fell in love with the concept of it and I was just really good at it. I was a really good bartender.

I. I made a lot of money. I was making triple the industry standard. I was kicking ass, taking names. I was the president of the Bartender's Guild. I traveled all over the world, did international cocktail competitions, and when I turned 24 I started doing consulting. Right? And so I was consulting for casinos.

I was helping bars go from 15 grand a week to 150 grand a week. And I was really fucking good at what I did. And I drank like every day, all day. Cuz that's what you do when you're a bartender. There's like literally nothing else to do. So it was like drinking all the time. And I got to a point in my life with the kids and everything where the booze was really taken over.

I was miserable. And then I was trying to live in two places at the same time, and it was so much anxiety from drinking and working 90 hours a week and having a lot of responsibility. And so I was miserable and really in a state of like depression. I got a divorce, I cheated on my husband, we got a divorce, and my whole life fell apart.

Right. And the bar was all I had left, but it was kind of this like empty shell of, of who I used to be and who I wanted to be. And I quit drinking. There was no dui, there was no big cool story. I had a one night stand and that's all. And I woke up and I was like, I can't live like this anymore. I can't do this shit anymore.

And for the first time this voice came in, which now I know is like my higher self. And it came in and said, so don't. And it was like the thought had never fucking occurred to me that I could just change, but I did. And in that moment, I quit drinking and six months later I got fired from both of the bars that I was working at, you know, and it was the best thing that ever fucking happened for me.

I got fired from those bars. I went to Italy, I went to Greece, and I came home. I fell into a Facebook ad funnel that was actually for learning how to build a Facebook ad agency. And so I took this like $3,000 that I didn't have on like a shitty, like Capital One credit card. I split it with me and my boyfriend, right?

And I bought this course, and it just turns out that I was really terrible at Facebook ads. But I was really good at getting clients. And so because of bartender lands, because I taught bartenders how to use social media to build a following, I had this skillset of marketing online. I was just using it for bartenders, and then when I applied it to getting Facebook ad agency clients, these were $2,000 clients.

So I made 20 grand in my first six weeks inside of this program. And the coach pulled me aside and he was like, you really suck at Facebook ads, but you should be a coach. And I was like, cool, what the fuck is that? And so he told me, and then I started the Facebook group and I mean, I made a million dollars in my first 13 months.

It was just Wow. Insane. 

Alyse: That's insane. And that coincided with Covid, right? So like you couldn't really be a bartender anyway. 

Nicole: Yeah. When I got fired from those two jobs I got back from Italy. That was. October of 2019. And so I was kind of trying to figure out what I was gonna do with my life anyways. And then like thank God I, I fell into that funnel because my bartender buddies really suffered for those two years.

And for me, I built everything in the middle of Covid. Like I started my business in March of 2020. 

Alyse: That's insane. So I know you teach about like client attraction, but what do you mostly help people with? 

Nicole: I'm helping high vibe entrepreneurs, like people that are in the space of wanting to be in the woo, but maybe a little woo adjacent, right?

Still kind of having masculine energy pulling forward to be in the state of learning how to attract clients, learning how to use energetically aligned social selling strategies. We don't do any cold outreach at all. I don't like rejection. It's not fun for me, so we don't do that and without any pain point.

Marketing. I don't use pain point marketing. I don't use pain point in the sale. I went through a pretty nasty relationship with a narcissist, like clinically diagnosed, and he wrecked my life. Physical, mental, financial abuse. He stole my identity, racked up $30,000 in credit card di. He stole my passport in my phone, and l locked me at a hotel in Bangkok.

Broke my nose, broke my ribs, like it was really fucking crazy. And so when I got into sales and they were teaching me these like sales methodologies, I could hear his voice in it because like they like love bomb you and then tear you down to make you buy. And that's that same shit he was doing to me.

Wow. I was like, I'm not gonna fucking do this shit to people. I don't care if it works. 

Alyse: That's so interesting and I mean it's interesting too cuz I actually never really studied like sales or online marketing. I just do what I do. But it's interesting that they do that. Where it's kind of give you like a vision, but then tell you what's wrong with you or something.

I never really thought of it like that. 

Nicole: Yeah. They sell you on a concept, right? They're like, Hey, you could be a zillionaire, but you're not good enough, so you have to buy my thing in order to be good enough to be a zillionaire. And it's, it's gross. 

Alyse: Yeah, it is. So then what do you teach people instead? What is like the opposite of that?

Nicole: So my eight figure coaches told me that this would never work. They were wrong. They were fucking wrong. But they told me, they were like, this will never work. Like you have to put people in the pain points. And I was like, the fuck I do, I will find a way around this. And so I built a system called Catalyst Marketing.

Well, first in traditional sales, what they tell you to do is to speak to people in the struggle. You've probably heard this before, right? Ask people what they're struggling with. Go figure out what their problems are. Go figure out what their pain is, and then really connect with them in the struggle and the pain.

I'm not gonna tell you that shit doesn't work. It does work. It's just gross, right? But when you connect with people in their pain, they still have to go through rock bottom and they still have to go through that space where they learn how to develop their own sense of self and their own hope. Before they will actually take action and buy.

And so when you focus on people in the struggle, it takes a really long time because they have to go through that cycle of rock bottom, finding hope and then deciding they want a solution. And I said, this is stupid. Why don't I just talk to people who have already found the hope and already want a solution?

And so I built my entire Facebook group based on people being in the catalyst. Ready to buy, ready to invest, and ready for those results. And so I don't have to speak to them about their struggle. I can relate to them and show them what I went through, but I don't have to poke them in the pain because they've already decided that they are solution oriented people that want results now.

And that's what I attribute so much of the fast success to is because I just didn't waste my time talking to people that were gonna take six to eight months to close. You know, I had people come into my Facebook group, join the group, and three days later, 10 KK and fall straight through the funnel. No sales calls.

Alyse: That's wild. I never really thought of it that way, but it makes so much sense that you, cause first of all, you wanna be talking to people who are ready to buy anyway. 

Nicole: Yeah. I don't wanna waste time. I dunno about you. I don't wanna have to work my way through all of those things, especially when I know that there's people out there.

There's what, 3 billion people on Facebook? Like you think that some people are not ready to buy right now? Of course they are. 

Alyse: Yeah. If it's the right thing and it feels right to them. So when you built the Facebook group, walk me through that a little bit. Cause I don't even understand like how that works.

Nicole: Facebook groups are really interesting little animal, right? Because I knew a little bit about Facebook groups in bartender land, but I was using it for a completely different thing, right? So when I was using it for marketing, I thought to myself, How would I make money with a Facebook group? And so I didn't do any research.

Let's be clear. I didn't talk to anybody. I didn't learn this from a coach. I did it myself. And so I built a Facebook group the same way that you would build a barn. If you were gonna go build a bar in a city, you would go look at the city, you would find a piece of property, and then you would look at the bars that are surrounding that property and say, okay, there's already a dive bar.

There's already an Irish bar, there's already a, this kind of bar and that kind of bar. What kind of bar would work best in this neighborhood? And then you put that in there. You decide your price points, you build out your staff, blah, blah, blah. So I did the same thing. I looked at the industry of coaches that this coach told me about other coaches, right?

And so I looked at all these women, these female entrepreneurs, and they were all doing exactly the same thing. It was like the equivalent of having. 22 pizza places on one corner. And I was like, this is so stupid. Why do you guys direct competing with each other? And so I was like, how can I build something that the industry actually needs and wants?

And that's gonna be a pattern interrupt so that people will come to it. And so I built this concept and when I first built the group, it was called Client Attraction Secrets. Right. And so just by joining a group called Client Attraction Secrets, you're admitting mm-hmm. That you'd want more clients.

Which is of course what I sell, right? So nobody in the group was going to not have what I was gonna sell them, right? If I would've named it female entrepreneurs doing female entrepreneur things like every other Facebook group out there, then it's just female entrepreneurs. You're not actually admitting that you desire a.

The result of my program. Right? But just by doing that, you're creating that monetization angle. So people come into the Facebook group and you think of it as like steps of service as a bar, is that you come inside, you get greeted by a hostess, right? You start to feel the vibe and the energy of the room.

You figure out where the bathrooms are. You look at the drink menu, you order, you feel feeling while you're there. And so I built my Facebook group like an experience. Instead of this two-dimensional lead catching device. Right. I built it like a feeling and people were just blown the fuck away by it because it didn't feel like every other group on the face of the planet.

It was its own little animal and it just blew up. I grew it to 10,000 people. Wow. In my first six months. 

Alyse: That is so crazy. It's so funny cuz like you don't even, I never even thought of a Facebook group as. I didn't know what to think of it as I remember I built one because I thought that was what I was supposed to do.

And this was like very early on in my business. I still have one and I still use it, but I never really thought of it necessarily like you're talking about. Right? Like about building an experience. So then like when people came in, then it's just about what is the experience that they have when they come in.

Nicole: Today we did a Taylor Swift party. So today we did a Taylor Swift pony party where we were talking about it's all shenanigans all the time, right? So we were talking about the concept of like why Taylor is so iconic and like how she layers in all of her branding and like the Easter eggs, but really like she has this different way of showing up for her audience than other like pop stars do, where it was this story about girl who had cancer and like Taylor Swift went.

To the hospital and visited her. And then she, when the girl cleared the cancer and she was in remission, she sent her tickets when it's like these extra attention to detail kind of things where she really pays attention to every single layer. And so we brought everybody onto a live or onto a Zoom and we zoom it into the group.

And we have these kind of poignant discussions about how you can develop your audience and how you can really be detail focused with your branding and how you can layer that strategy in. And so we're giving people this opportunity. To open their eyes and to feel things a little bit differently and to, yes, educate, but it's also this power of community of that collective energy.

And inside of my Facebook group, I let everyone sell. I don't do that thing where it's no promo. Like I don't give a fuck self. Like what do I care? There's 20,000 people in there. There's more than enough to go around. I want you to get more and better clients. That's the whole point. And so we are doing these kind of.

Events that feel like experiences instead of a cookie cutter five day challenge bullshit. We do Wonder retreats. The last wonder retreat was Dr. Seuss theme. So we do all this crazy shit that leaves this lasting impression in people's minds, but it's also teaching them how to market and sell through full immersion instead of like textbook learning things.

You're learning by doing. You're learning. Instead of learning the language for duo lingo, you're going to Spain. 

Alyse: Totally. I love that and I love what you're talking about. Like the thing that I keep remembering you say is like a pattern interrupt. It's so funny, and I think we talked about this when I recorded on your podcast, just like I still don't think of myself as like a coach or being in the coaching industry, even though I obviously am.

I just don't identify. I don't identify as that. I identify as a non coach. I just don't, but. Obviously by default I have gotten there. And there are things that you see everyone doing. And I think so many people, cause I see it with my clients too, is they're like, oh, do I have to do this and do I have to do that?

And I'm always like, no. Like you don't have to do any of it. And in fact, it's probably good, like you are saying, to create a pattern interrupt or. Do something because it feels aligned with you that no one else has done before. And I think that's why you've been so successful. And also like if you look at it, it makes total sense cuz that's why anyone is successful.

Nicole: Yeah. And that's what entrepreneurship is, right? It's like it's solving a problem for other people that other people didn't come up with the solution yet. And so, same thing I tell my clients, like, I will show you lots of different ways to make money. Like there's a zillion fucking different ways. Once you understand the foundational principles of sales, marketing, delivery and how that mechanism works and audience building, like you can apply it any way you want and however you wanna set it up, it's gonna work better when you actually enjoy it.

And so for me, a Facebook group was a natural progression because it felt like a bar. I was already successful in bars. I already knew how to do that. And so walking it over just made sense. And it made more sense than an email list to me. Now, of course, now I have email lists and I do all the things, but in the beginning I didn't. I did the first 150 K without any email. 

Alyse: Wow, that's amazing. 

Nicole: Stupid is what it is. But build an email list. Be clear, guys. It was fucking stupid. I was very resistant to something that would definitely help me. 

Alyse: Yeah, I mean, I think an email list is definitely just obviously a thing to do. It makes total sense.

So I just wanted to talk a little bit about this too. Cause we talked about this before, and you talk about this on your podcast just like. Some of the things that really annoy you about the coaching industry or the places where you feel like it really goes wrong, and I feel like you have such a great perspective on some of this stuff.

So I'd love for you to share just some of the things that you feel like are. Either like really annoy you or that you think like need to really change. 

Nicole: Thank you for teeing me up like this. I, here you go. It's like I'm giving permission to be a bitch and I'm like, thank you. 

Alyse: You have a talent for this. So please take it away. 

Nicole: Let's talk about why Alyse doesn't like to say the word coach and why it feels like a dirty word in her mouth. Um, 

Alyse: It does, I dunno why, like, because I can see her face cringe. Her face cringing. Here's why. Because I feel like it's like literally taking what I do, which is.

Incredibly, like profound, multi-dimensional transformational work and putting it into this word that literally doesn't describe it at all. And I'm just like, actually no, that's not what I do but me. So that's, that's partially why.

Nicole: Okay, so this is why I hate the coaching industry. Because one, it's fucking bullshit, right?

It's bullshit for somebody to be like, I'm a coach because I got a certificate and they put it on the wall, and now I'm a coach. I'm a this coacher. I'm a life coach. I'm a coach, whatever. What qualifies you to fucking help people having the results you sell? Okay. Having the results you sell, not a certificate on the wall, not somebody fucking giving you a booklet full of templates that you can give to your clients, right?

It's you actually having the results. And there are so many people in the coaching industry who are selling results. They don't fucking have. And that's kind of what it means to be a coach in a lot of ways, right? If you think about a basketball coach, like when you think about a basketball coach, you probably imagine this guy that's five seven.

He's five seven, he's bald and he is short, right? That's what I think of when I think of a basketball coach. Like that guy can't dunk, right? So it's like when we think of coaches, we think of that whole concept of the people who can't do teach and Right. That's some bullshit. Cuz that's not what I do. I only sell results that I actually fucking have.

And in the coaching industry, that's not common. I met this woman one time like in very early in the game, right? She had a Facebook group that was called Millionaire Mindset. And so what's the first question you ask somebody like that, right? Are you a millionaire? How did you become a millionaire? And she's like, oh, I'm not one yet.

And I'm like, bitch, you better take that Facebook group down right now, right? So coaching creates this monster of people who don't have the results, who sell the results. Which is ridiculous, right? And then on top of it, you have a pyramid scheme of coaches, coaching coaches. And I remember, cause I had one of these coaches I bought from one of these pyramid scheme coaches.

Cause I needed to see how it felt. Right? And so you get in there and then they're like, oh, just take these modules that I developed and just put them in your program. And do the same thing. And I'm like, go fuck yourself on that. That's not happening. Like 100%. I am not teaching people what you just taught me because what you just taught me doesn't fucking work.

And because that's gross, like I'm not gonna do that shit. And so there's like that hierarchy of, it's a copy of a copy. And so by the time you buy a. Six rungs down. You're buying from someone who's literally thrown up into somebody else's mouth and then they have thrown up into somebody else's mouth and then they're throwing up into your mouth.

I don't want throw up of fucking four rungs in my mouth. And that's what happens in the coaching history. 

Alyse: Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. And I feel like it's also because people, they see that people are making money and they're like, okay, just show me how I can make money really fast. First of all, that's not an integrity in my opinion, right?

Because it's just like, okay, now you just wanna try to get people to pay you all this money for like basically doing nothing. You know what I mean? And I see this a lot cause a lot of my clients are healers and it's more spiritual people who wanna have spiritual businesses. However they think there's like a quick fix.

Oh, I'm just gonna create one program and put it out there once and nobody bought it. And now. Oh my gosh, why didn't this work? It takes a lot more than that. You know what I mean? And I think that is something too that people fall into is they're like not realizing the actual depths that you are required to go within yourself in order to create something like this.

So it's just like, oh, let me just regurgitate something that's not actually in service to you or anyone else. But I totally hear you. It's a problem, and I feel like it's the opposite of what we're teaching people, right? Because. And I know you are doing this too, but like for me, I want my clients to become like the best version of themselves.

Nicole: Yeah. In my world, I call it 10 k Bobblehead syndrome, where it's like you saw this girl on the internet and she's in this like pretty pink dress and she's like telling you like, you can make 10 K a month like a little robot, 10 K a month, 10 K a month, and it's 10k months. That's all anybody cares about.

It's 10 K months and it's like, But doing what? And they're like, nothing. You just make 10 K months. That's all you do. And so then everybody's perpetuating this cycle of selling the snake oil of 10 K months without actually having any substance, without actually having any depth or any give a fuck at all.

Like they're just trying to sell the next thing. And it's not only gross, it's just sad. Right. It's just sad because there's no integrity in it. There's no growth in it, there's no expansion in it. And if you join any of these 10 K Bobblehead coaches and you get into their programs, it's just. A copy of a copy and then they're gonna teach you how to copy the copy.

That's all it is. Copy of a copy printing. And that really discredits the people who are out there doing something transformational that are helping people to peel back those layers of resistance and actually see themselves differently and to rewire their belief patterns to become. Who they already are inside without the 10 K bubble head fucking plastic over their face.

Yeah. And that transformational energy really gets lost in the terminology of coach, because we do have a lot of people bastardizing that word. It's a tough labels and identity and all of the things, right? We could talk about that shit for fucking two weeks. But choosing the word that you wanna associate with yourself is always gonna come with a serve and a fucking limit.

I have a portion of my services that are coaching services, and what I see in coaching is that I'm gonna ask you questions. I'm gonna help you to peel back those layers, and I'm gonna coach you to see yourself differently. But I have higher tiers that are more mentorship focused, and even more in the strategic development focus.

If I'm gonna give myself an I am a I, like I am a scaling strategist, that's what I'm fucking good at. Coaching is something that that is a part of my offer. But I don't like the, I am a coach either. 

Alyse: Yeah, and I also think this is like an opportunity too for like people to have more integrity with themselves.

It brings the onus back to yourself, right? Where it's like if you signed up for this thing, Don't complain that it wasn't what you wanted. Look at yourself and be like, why did I sign up for that? It's interesting cause I love talking to people who've had bad experiences. Cause I actually haven't ever had a bad experience with a coach or a mentor.

Nicole: Well, fuck you. Okay.

Alyse: But it's also because I haven't really worked with that many people either because. I just knew who I was supposed to work with and that was it. I never questioned it or whatever, and I was never looking for a quick fix. But I do think it's really interesting. For example, I have a client who did like some coaching program, and then she was saying that the people who were.

Teaching. It actually didn't even have their own coaching business. Like they had a regular job and she was like, this is bullshit. So I was like, yeah, that does sound like bullshit. So like I feel like there's so much going on out there that is out of integrity, but it really is like an opportunity for each person to like take more personal responsibility.

Nicole: Agreed. These people that come in and complain, okay, I bought from this coach and it was snake oils. Okay, but like how many questions did you ask before you shoveled out that 10 K? Yeah. Did you ask them if they had a day drop? Did you ask them what their results looked like? Did you ask them how many clients they have?

One of the things that I always tell my audience is, if you are going to buy something from somebody, you need to ask these questions. The burden of due diligence is on you, not on the coach, right? It's not, or any entrepreneur. It's not on them. It's on you. You get to ask those challenging questions and some of the questions that you should be asking, especially if you're gonna hire like a biz coach of any sort that's gonna theoretically help you make more money.

You should be asking them how much money they've made. Come on, this is question number one, right? And you wouldn't believe how many people don't ask. I'm like, this is crazy to me that you don't ask these things, but it's like you should be asking how much money they've made in how much time, right?

Mm-hmm. How many clients they've had, what their client results look like, timeline wise, and also asking them what's the gradient of result? Because if you talk to somebody and they tell you that all of our clients get results, Like all of our clients make it like, first of all, they're fucking lying. Okay?

And second of all, you're an idiot for falling for that fucking shit, right? Tell me about a client who didn't get the 20 K month year promising what happened to her. Ask those kind of questions and then understand that really what you're feeling out in here is that, is this person truthful? Because you should be able to discern that, right?

Is that, is this person telling the truth? Because if they're lying, you shouldn't buy from them. If you feel like they're lying about their numbers or lying about client results, just don't buy. Because what you really should be seeking from a coach is integrity. The willingness to be honest, and the willingness to share their fucking mistakes.

If they're not willing to share where they fucked up, how the fuck are you gonna learn? 

Alyse: Exactly. And also, I wanna kinda dive a little more deeply into. This idea of the person who doesn't get results, right? Because this is something that I have pondered over and over again in my head, right? Because we've all had them, right?

The person that comes in and they don't get results, and there's always various reasons, obviously. Right? What is your take on this? Like the person who shows up, they buy your program and they seem to be like showing up. But they're not getting the result. 

Nicole: The first thing that I put into my head around this is that there's no such thing as getting no result, because every action creates a result, right?

Undeniably there is a result. Now, it might not be the result that's promised in the program. But it is a result. So it's asking yourself as the coach, as the entrepreneur in this situation of what results are they giving and then helping them to ascertain and identify that of saying, what has changed in your life since you joined this?

And sometimes it's gonna be something like, obviously I saw Amani making offer, right? Yeah. But a lot of times in my programs, women leave their shitty husbands like that. That happens a lot. 

Alyse: And this is what I always say, and my audience has heard me say this a million times because. When I declared I was going to have my first 50 K month, I was sent on a six month.

Journey of separating from my husband, getting back together because I had to change the way that I was showing up. So yes, a lot of times it's, oh, okay, well you say you wanna make 50 K, here's the list of the shit you need to do so you can become the version of you that makes 50 K. 

Nicole: And most people aren't willing to do it.

You know what I'm saying? Exactly. I can't tell you what you are supposed to do, but you know damn good what you're supposed to do. And then you have this resistance and you're like, let Nicole, I don't want to. And it's like, bitch, I get that. But if you wanna become the person who's capable of making a hundred grand a month, here's the cold, hard fucking truth of it.

You can't hang out with your shitty friends anymore. I'm sorry. There's no reality here where you spend five hours a day at the fucking bar with people who make $3,000 a month while you're making a hundred k. That's not part of the reality. And if you're not willing to get rid of that, I'm sorry, you're not doing what's required of you.

And I will tell you that for the people in my program who quote unquote, don't get the results right, they know why they're able to articulate it. They're able to say, I know that I would be able to make the money if I did X, Y, and Z, but I'm not willing to do that. And what I help them to say is, Yet, I'm not willing to do that yet.

Because here's the other thing. I have seen people come into my program and in, you know, 90 days or in a year that they work with me, not get the result. But then six months later they messaged me and they're like, bitch, thank you so much, because I finally figured it out. I finally did the things and I took everything that you taught me and I fucking applied it.

And now I just made 30 grand. Thank you. That happens all the time. Yeah. People get to choose their own timing and regardless of how we fucking feel about it. Right. 

Alyse: Oh, I know. Because I'll see this all the time too, where like I'll see somebody that stopped working with me and like, it didn't seem like anything happened that much while we were working together, but then it's six months later, all of this stuff is happening.

Right? And it's like, okay. Just because there's like this timeline that we had, it doesn't mean that's when it's gonna happen or that's when it's meant to happen. Like it all gets to. Work together. So I think it's so important for people to understand, like I just did an episode about the power of the long-term, like the long game, like the long-term relationships in mentorship and the long game commitment to your business because it's not about going into like a three month program and thinking that's gonna solve all of your issues.

And you're gonna come out of that program and now all of a sudden, you know how to do everything and everything's all good. That's not how this works. And I think people have a misconception about that, that, oh, this is gonna be like the magic bullet and then I'm just gonna be riding like the wave for like, it's like no... 

Nicole: long term skillset development.

For me, I have never stayed with anybody that long, like my first coach I was with for 18 months, but I had an overlap and I had a second coach in there. That's a pretty long time though. And then we did about just over a year together with the second coach, but I haven't done anything longer than that.

So I know you've done longer, like what was your experience with long-term mentorship? Cuz I'm kind of like looking to see if this is what I want. 

Alyse: So here's the thing, and also listen to the episode cause I feel like I explained it, but here's what I have to say about it. Is, I think there's a power, and I didn't realize this until one of my mentors told me that this was actually like a talent of mine was to have really deep, emotionally mature relationships.

And she was like, that's why you've had success. And I was like thinking about it and I was like, oh, you know how when you're good at something, you think everyone's good at it? I didn't know that. Like I was good at that. And then I was thinking about it and I think. The power in that long-term relationship is the fact that this person knows you so deeply and they've seen you through these seasons of time.

And then you can look back and like they can say to me, Alyse, remember when you were at this point? Look, we're at this point. Look where you are now. And like for me, I wouldn't necessarily look at it that way, but they've seen me through so many seasons. That they can be like, remember when you were like worried about this?

And I'm like, no. It's like the power to have that person that knows you on that deep level, it's like an intimacy. I think that is really creates this level of like safety and support in your business, and also like your ability to commit to yourself and your growth and your business long term. So that's what it's been like for me.

And again, I'm not saying everyone has to move the way I did. I'm just saying I think that's what worked for me. And I do think that like it's really about changing the paradigm of, okay, I'm just gonna get this from here and then get that from there. And it's more like, okay, this is a person I really resonate with.

And I'm just gonna ride with them because I know they're going places and I know I'm going places and we're just gonna ride together and I know that it's gonna expand me to do that. So I think that for me was kind of the power in it, but I also think it's just the ability to create deep. Emotionally mature relationships, like I feel like that's where people are lacking in general.

Sure. On the planet. Like where people just like don't understand that. And I'm sure you've had this where like people totally project onto you or people will just be like, you did A, B, and C and that's why I'm mad and it's really, I did that. Really. So I think that is a piece of it too, right? Where it's like, oh, if you're with somebody for a longer period of time, you have that awareness of, oh, I'm projecting onto them, or, oh, this is actually about me.

Whereas like the tendency could be to make it about the other person, you're able to take that ownness back on yourself and use the power of the mirror of the relationship to grow. 

Nicole: Yeah, I can see this in like my learn long-term clients, right? I have clients that have been with me for three years, and so I see that like, for one, I've known their entire journey, right?

And I have a very intimate view of their like, personal dynamics. Like I know their kids, right? It's like I know your, your children, I know your husband. Like I've been able to see those things. And I think for a lot of people too, it takes a lot of like trust to open up. And so like there's that. I'm someone that opens up fairly quickly, but I've seen clients, like I have one client, it took her like a fucking year to tell me something.

It's like she had some she didn't wanna tell me and it took her like a fucking year. And I'm like, I know you have something, just tell me. But it takes that time and build to build up the rapport and to trust enough to tell the deep, dark secrets. And you know that that's where all the fucking real work is at.

Alyse: Exactly. And this is when I like bring it back to when I was a school counselor because. I was at the same school for seven years and I saw kids from kindergarten to eighth grade. Right. Yeah. And it was like I had the opportunity to build these relationships where it's like, Finally after I've met you, when you're in third grade and finally when you're in seventh grade, now you're telling me the real shit that's going on.

But it took four or five years. But like I played the long game and then I had these really powerful relationships because all I did was be cool, be present, listen, shoot the shit. And then after two years of shooting the shit, all of a sudden I'm hearing like, Mom did this. What? You know what I mean? So I feel like there is a power in that, in just giving people the time and the space to open up in that way.

Nicole: I think that's such an important conversation for sales too. You have a lot of this like bro marketing bullshit out there where they're telling you it's, if you don't close it, this call like it's the end of the free world and don't let 'em off the call. I don't do that shit crazy. It's so crazy. I don't do any of that shit.

You know? I might come onto a 20 minute call with you. I just did one the other day. This woman would be a perfect fucking fit. Like I could feel it, right? I could feel the connection. And so it's like you're supposed to do a 20 minute call and then move them onto a 45 minute call to have a sales call, right?

But I got done with the 20 minute call and I just didn't offer a second call. And like she had this look on her face, right? I was like, why didn't you offer me a second call? And I was like, no, I just feel like you're gonna be able to do this without a coach. I don't think you're really gonna fucking need it.

Like I was like, why don't you just take what I just gave you about your market positioning, and why don't you go get some clients with it because. You're wildly fucking capable. I've done that so many times, and then had people come back and buy my $30,000 offer or my 50,000 offer because I didn't sell them my $10,000 offer.

You play the long game and you respect people's own timelines and you respect that people get to choose, right? That's the power of attraction marketing is that I don't have to like worry about losing a fucking lead, like you're not going anywhere. I'll ruin you for every other fucking coach on the goddamn market.

You're not going anywhere. You'll be back. Go ahead. Go back from someone else. I'll see you in six months. 

Alyse: Yes. I love that. Cuz I feel like I've had so much of that in my business too, where I've had people that have been dipping their toe in or on the periphery for a year, two years, three years. Yeah. And then finally they're ready to come in and it's just cool.

I respect that. And first of all, like. The work that we do is really deep. It's not like I'm, I wanna force somebody to be like, you need to look at your trauma right now. What are you looking for? Like, that's like, would be so weird.

Nicole: Yeah, no, like high pressure sales doesn't work for like deep work. Right?

Because that doesn't even add up. Like you have to be in the desire point in order to get the result. In order to be there, you have to like want to do the deep work because. The deep work is painful. There's things that you don't wanna look at, and there's things that even after you see them, you wanna just put back in the box.

And so you have to be in that space of really truly desiring the actual result. And there's no way, there's no sales process in the world that will force that for you. It's a choice. 

Alyse: A hundred percent. Yeah. So like what would you say is kind of like the overall. Take or perception that you have around like client attraction.

Nicole: For me, this is the intentional set point, right? Is that you are becoming the truest version of yourself and allowing that like exponential growth. Of who you are and the transformational energy of you becoming you is what attracts it's what draws attention is you changing. You growing is what opens that door.

And so transformational energy is what draws the attention, creates that, that intentional set point. And then people gravitate towards you for all sorts of different fucking reasons. But the second you stop growing, the second you stop transforming, the second you've decided you've made it, that's when the sales stopped.

So it's the willingness to continue to peel back your own layers and do your own work that actually attracts more and better clients because you are unlocking revenue streams with every belief that you shift. 

Alyse: I love that. It's so funny. I think I'm about to run. I ran a four week container last September called Quantum magnetism, which was all about like client attraction and magnetism, and I'm thinking about running it again, and I've been thinking about this.

I'm like, okay, what is my stance on this now? Cuz it's been a long time and I've obviously evolved. And I was thinking about that exact thing. It's all about you continuing to be more and more of yourself and just like letting that show. Yeah. I gave my husband this whole speech about this earlier cuz we started a company together based on, he makes these like gold plated amethyst geos and we started like this gifting business together.

Ok. My audience has heard me talk about it. He has a total own thing going on. So I was like, you really need to like share like your story, like you've been doing crystals for like 20 years, share about, and I'm like, that's what's gonna sell. Like 

Nicole: that's it. The story, right? It's the story, it's the connection.

That's what cultivates the audience and creates the conversion points. But you gotta open it. You gotta open up that story and let people really feel your frequency to create true attraction that's not, you know, setters and dms and all the bullshit. 

Alyse: Exactly. And I think you do such a good job of that, of just like really being yourself that comes across in just like your podcast and the way that you talk and like, I appreciate that so much because, I hate when people are like, buttoned up or like trying to put a certain thing out there that's not who they are.

I've always been so sensitive to people being fake, like it literally makes me cringe. 

Nicole: Yeah. I, I hated it in bartender land, right? Where it was like, I got ostracized for being my true self because it was like, you'd be a whole lot prettier if you fucking smiled. Or like, you know, when people tell you to smile your worst.

I, when people would tell me that at the bar and they'd be like, you'd be a whole lot pret if you smile. I'd say something funny. I'm not gonna fucking smile because you're not fucking funny. So say something funny, the burden is on you. But like in bartender land, there was so much of that because there was so many fake people that were just pretending all the time.

And so if you weren't pretending, They like ostracized you. And so it was very much this like be seen and not heard kind of thing. And I mean, it's a good old boys club for sure. And so they definitely did wanna hear from 25 year old women, so that was definitely a problem. But in becoming an entrepreneur and finding my own voice and being in my own business, that's something I will just never fucking surrender, ever the fuck again.

I will never be somebody else's puppet. I will never be what other people want me to be. I spent my whole first marriage trying to be what he wanted me to be and like I will just never do that shit. Ever. Yeah, I'm not interested. 

Alyse: A hundred percent. I love that so much and I think that I. You have really nailed that and that's hard for people.

Do you see that that's hard for your clients? Do they struggle with that? 

Nicole: Absolutely. I think that I particularly attract people that struggle with that, right? Because I have the result. And so people really desire that and that it's that million dollar sales question, right? How did you do that? So all my clients come to me and ask me like, how did you do that?

And then we work towards that inside of the program and really, For one, I feel like people don't know who they really are, right? So it's, if you don't know who you are, it's hard to be yourself because you don't even know what that fucking looks like or feels like. And so it's identifying it first, but then peeling back all of those facades that you put on to please your mom, to please your husband, to please your kids, whatever your story is, right.

You are so wrapped up in perceiving what other people are perceiving of you that you've completely lost all sense of self. 

Alyse: Yes, a hundred percent. I see that all the time, and even with myself, like when I started down this journey. There was so much that I didn't even realize I was doing based on everybody else, and I feel like it's such a journey for me.

Like even when I just got back from Costa Rica, I realized even more all of the shit I was doing in my business that was based on other people rather than what actually made me happy. And it's, for me, it's like an ongoing process of continuing to pull back the layers and be like, oh. I don't actually want that.

Oh, I was just doing that because of this reason. Oh, that's not actually, you know, so it's a process of like continuing to discover who you really are and what you actually want, 

Nicole: and then by the end of it, you learn how to answer your husband when he asks you what you want for dinner. 

Alyse: Oh my God. I know.

I'm like, we're totally past now. Now we're totally past that though, where I don't even talk about it. I just do. I'm just, this is what I'm making. This is what we're ordering. This is the only time we have a discussion is when I won Indian, because that hurts his stomach. So I'm like, I want Indian.

Nicole: I'll make you a grilled cheese.

Alyse: But yeah, it's like I, but it's true. Like I remember I used to be like, oh, I don't know, whatever you want, or what do you want? Or whatever. And now I'm just like, no, it's actually. About what I want. 

Nicole: That's the real life result right there is being able to answer that fucking question, isn't it? Yes. 

Alyse: Why is that like such a thing?

Nicole: I dunno. You spend our whole lives just trying to figure out what the fuck we want for dinner. 

Alyse: Seriously. But it means so much. Cause it's actually like, Your ability to really fucking say what you actually think. 

Nicole: Yeah, and to not censor and not do that thing. You know that thing, right? Where it's like if somebody asks you a question and then you populate an answer in your head and then you edit it before it comes outta your mouth, that is such a common symptom of people that really need to do this deeper work is, are you editing what comes out?

When you can get to a space in your life where when somebody asks you a question, you just fucking answer it. That's when you know you've really found in and tapped into that true desire point of who the fuck you really are. That's your sense of self. 

Alyse: Yeah, I love that. And I know we could like, continue talking about this forever, but I think this is place to end.

So can you let everyone know how they can find you and, um, how they can find, you know, your Facebook group and all of that? 

Nicole: So the Facebook group is called Unicorn Client Attraction Secrets for High Vibe Wonder Women. And in my world, wonder Woman is a mindset. It's not a gender bias. So all are welcome. I have a free gift for your audience today, so you guys can go to nonstop notifications.com and that's gonna give you access to my a hundred Wonderful Ways to Get More and better clients because spoiler alert, I want you to get more and better fucking clients.

Even if you're not working with me, go make some fucking money. It's good for the collective consciousness because money in the hands of good people does good motherfucking things. And of course, you can check out the podcast. For all of the F-bombs and all of the backstory of how I really built a seven figure empire, pretty much out of nowhere. It's called Real unicorns don't wear pants. 

Alyse: Awesome. Yes, definitely check it out. I've listened to it. It's really good and highly entertaining. 

Nicole: And Alyse, we'll be on there soon. So you guys be able to catch her episode soon. 

Alyse: Yes. I love that episode. I'm so excited for that to come out. Okay, cool. And then for our very last question for you, what is a non-negotiable when it comes to fully reclaiming your consciousness?

Nicole: For me, the non-negotiable in this is radical responsibility. My life changed so much when I stopped shaming and blaming and looking for a reason to fucking pity myself or play fucking victim is to say, you know what? Everything in my life happened because I chose it. I chose this life and I truly, honestly believe in the collective consciousness that we chose to be this human in this experience with the these fucking parents.

Shitty or not, right? We chose this. And so even the most challenging things in our life, I mean, this is coming from someone whose best friend died in a car accident. My son's father died of a heroin overdose. I was raped at three different ages. I choose to take radical responsibility for the life that I've created for myself, and that every single one of these experiences serves in one way and limits in another.

The power of neutrality will set you the fuck free. 

Alyse: Wow. I love that so much. Mic drop. Thank you so much for being here. This was amazing and I'm so excited cuz I'm gonna get to meet you in person in two weeks, so, so soon. So Palm Springs and I cannot wait. We are gonna have, So much fun. So thank you so much for being here.

Nicole: Thank you for having me. 

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